48 Car Grid - Nordshleife!

[Edward Leake]

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[Ben Tusting]

looks good

[James Yates]

That's a sensible idea - lets take a track that doesn't work for most people when its got more than 15 cars on and then allow you to have more cars to crash it easier...

If the track didn't have the runtime error problems then that would be pretty awesome

[Ross Balfour]

Works for me. Although is he allowed to do that?

[James Yates]

I would give it a test to see if it does fix the runtime error problem - but there could be a slight issue with trying to download it...

[Warren Dawes]

Erhm! Look who released it, Our friend Mojo who is already in strife for ripping this EVO track into rFactor before EVO was even released worldwide.
I suggest we ban this Track mod at Racedepartment.

[Ross Balfour]

This mod isnt the a problem, its just the guy that made it.

[Jarrod Crossley]

Originally Posted by Warren Dawes

Erhm! Look who released it, Our friend Mojo who is already in strife for ripping this EVO track into rFactor before EVO was even released worldwide.
I suggest we ban this Track mod at Racedepartment.

+1

[Attila Domján]

This is a modification for the original game, as long as it is not a ripped conversion it is not that bad. We should look at independently about the content of the mod and the person who made it....

[Niels Pedersen]

Imo it shouldn't be released, there's a reason why SimBin made it a small grid only.
So ban it on Racedepartment and Nogrip and elsewhere, because when the author is know for ripping SimBin's material, he shouldn't even be allowed to upload content on Nogrip...

It's a mod Attila, but i don't think he has the rights from SimBin to do this, it's still a re-publish of their content, and that can cause SimBin to "close down" their game making.

[Attila Domján]

It is not easy to find the right golden way in this area, i can promise you we here at RD will do our best to look for that.

[Ramon van Rijn]

+1 for the ban of this conversion.
We like NEW content, not stolen/modified content.

Also its from Mojo

[Scott Michaels]

It's a nice idea, as Simbin inexplicably limited cars in R07/GTRE to only 25 when clearly a previous version of the same netcode/game engine (GTR2) can handle 32 cars online and as many as you want offline, while rFactor can handle 40+ cars online (admittedly with a better netcode but still).

But this guy needs to either change his attitude or be driven out of the comunity, so I'm all for completely ignoring his existance and releases until he stops stealing stuff.

[Stuart Thomson]

Personally I'm not going to touch this one.

I got GTR last night, had a bash on it - very good.

Realistically, how many cars are you going to be able to dice against at any one time anyway? 1, 2 possibly, 3 at most.

What does it matter if there are another 22 or another 45 cars out there that you aren't paying attention to?

The timing also seems a bit rich considering the note SimBin released and that kind of makes me want to do the barge-pole thing with this.

Just my €0.02 (as it's going to be worth more than £0.02 soon )

[James Carter]

I am inclined to agree with the general concensus of the board here, HOWEVER, Simbin do seem VERY quiet on most issues and on this occassion, will not say WHY they limited the number of players online. Maybe they have future plans, who knows.

Maybe it is owing to game performance with soo many players, only time will tell.

I would not call this a "Mod" - More of a "Tweak" and as long as the "Tweaker" does not claim credit for the content, I dont see the problem ALTHOUGH someone may wish to enlighten me as I maybe wrong with my opinions.

IF it does what it says on the tin with no problems, I dont see the problem.

ALTHOUGH

It was inexcusable to rip off someone elses hard work.

[Bram Hengeveld]

I think the 25 players was because of WTCC starting field not containing 36 racers in real life.
But SimBin maybe quiet as you say, but be sure that things are picked up pretty quickly seeing all those patches with improvements that communities suggested.

[Simon Trendell]

I seem to remember changeable weather being implemented in a patch (or two :p). There's always a chance grid sizes could be changed if it's a popular request.

[James Carter]

/OFF TOPIC

HOW ABOUT NIGHT/ENDURANCE RACING

[Attila Domján]

off topic / dont wait for it too much... as Evo is addon and Race 07 as original game did not had this option, this would require to rework the whole game, textures, lightings, etc... / back to topic

[Lee Downham]

I would suggest that in the interest of their gaming public, Simbin have restricted grid sizes to provide you with the smoothest and most pleasurable gaming experience at no additional hardware cost

Whacking the grid up to 25 in Evo would probably take the RAM and CPU requirements up considerably (as its nearly 50% more cars!).
Loading the track itself requires another ~300MB-400MB of RAM than any other, so adding a full grid of highly detailed Evo cars to the equation would probably kill the performance on a lot of people's machines, and so discount them from any online races ... this is surely not what anyone wants is it?

FWIW - as Mojo is on the "most wanted" list, and even if it means missing out on a couple of cool patches and mods, think it would be best NOT to support his work 'till he mends his ways ... ?

(PS What about a banned or authorised mods list somewhere in the Forums?)

[Günthar Rowe]

Originally Posted by Lee Downham

(PS What about a banned or authorised mods list somewhere in the Forums?)

+1

[Edward Leake]

Sorry guys didn't realise the author was a rip-off merchant!

The reason I like the big grid idea for the Ring is they use 60 car starts for the 24 hr race, some 400+ cars lap at the same time!

[Tim Ling]

Could someone please explain what's wrong with this mod, cause the idea of a large amount of cars on the Nurbs seems really good to me.

[George Mastrokostas]

Originally Posted by Tim Ling

Could someone please explain what's wrong with this mod, cause the idea of a large amount of cars on the Nurbs seems really good to me.

They removed the content of the original post because this was and is a very sensitive issue for SimBin.

A huge part of SimBin's marketing plan was the Nordshleife track.
Mojo converted the track for GTR2 and released it in the wild before the game was released on the global market. They were not happy about that for obvious reasons. If you ask me, SimBin has been very understanding to our desires. They never complained with content being transfered from one game to another.
But the conversion of Nordshleife was the one thing that crossed the line.

Anything that deals with this subject (Converting from EVO to GTR2) is a very hot topic for SimBin and all online communities.

Under other circumstances I do not think altering the number of cars in the grid would been an issue. However considering what has happened with that track, it is better to play it safe and not provoke.

The serious online communities do not want to be viewed as warez sites thus losing all credability.
They also do not want to put SimBin in a position where they will bring down the hammer on all of us.
I am sure SimBin does not want that either because from the looks of it, they do want the community to create modifications for their games, with out of course crossing some lines.

[Tim Ling]

Ahhh, ok. There's always someone to spoil the fun isn't there. It's a shame, 'cos big races there would be fun