ECCI Steeringwheels

[Attila Domján]

I just fell in love with this system.... it has no convencional force feedback with electromotors as we know, but all the effects are provided with mechanical pistons, dampers and springs...

It is the formula 1 for simulator controls for me.... and with shipping from US you can have it in Europe for only 1599$...
Of course the wheel itself you can have it at least in 15 different shape and colour, as you wish, i liked this the most....

I think when i got home i will immediately try to turn off force feedback on my G25, curious what will happen....

[Maurice Hurkmans]

Nice stuff this only bit expensive....

Neo, also leave some money in your pocket to buy your misses something nice ;) Because with this rig, you'll be racing 24/7

[Attila Domján]

there is no more mrs.Neo, so i dont have to worry about such things for now... lol

[Maurice Hurkmans]

hmmmm...why i always speak about the wrong subjects lol :S

[Attila Domján]

loool dont worry, i wanted like that... but back on topic: does anybody has experience with this wheel? (or similar, with no FF)

Would be nice to read some reviews, opinions, experiences about it....

[Maurice Hurkmans]

I heard Stiggy yesterday about good experiences with no FF on the G25.....

[Attila Domján]

Guys, TURN OFF FORCE FEEDBACK! NOW!!!!

I did it, check the Curitiba hotlap post in few minutes for the result.... i made it after full 10 laps practise with the new setting, and i am sure this is not the limit yet.....

I just disabled in Windows/game controllers the force feedback, and enabled the centering spring, did not change anything else setting, also in the game i did not change anything.

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Originally Posted by Neo[RPM

]Guys, TURN OFF FORCE FEEDBACK! NOW!!!!

I did it, check the Curitiba hotlap post in few minutes for the result.... i made it after full 10 laps practise with the new setting, and i am sure this is not the limit yet.....

I just disabled in Windows/game controllers the force feedback, and enabled the centering spring, did not change anything else setting, also in the game i did not change anything.

I will sell my G25 now and use my old Thrustmaster T2. I will try it this evening without FFB.
I am in 1.23 on Curitiba now, i use left foot brake again, maybe i can go a bit faster without the FFB too. But i guess FFB helps me to feel when the car brakes out.

[Attila Domján]

i thought the same, but in fact it is not the case. I even feel now better what the car will do, and i am simply faster.

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Originally Posted by Neo[RPM

]i thought the same, but in fact it is not the case. I even feel now better what the car will do, and i am simply faster.

Thats the only thing which counts, so i try it too, maybe setting FFB very light, only rumble on and the FFB slider to 0%. Then you feel a bit of forces but maybe it's as fast as without FFB.

[Bram Hengeveld]

Originally Posted by Neo[RPM

]there is no more mrs.Neo, so i dont have to worry about such things for now... lol

wtf dude i am very sorry to hear that mate, bah!

[Maik Peters]

THis is really a nice steering wheel. but the price aight!!!

@Neo: Keep the car roling on!

[Attila Domján]

Some videos from the ECCI system

Pedals in work:
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Silent enough....?
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[Attila Domján]

There is also an upgrade available for the brake pedal, with which they say the pedal not just gets a totally progressive forces, but also that strong force, like in the real race car, however needs some homework to assemble it.... lol

Answer from ECCI i got related to my question to this feature:
For someone who is truly into race car driving the Race Brake kit offers incredible control and realism in braking. The Race Brake kit offers sim racing braking that is as "real world" as it gets. For someone who simply enjoys using racing simulations it could be undesirable due to the high progressivity (very sensitive near the end of travel) and very high pressures required. Installation instructions are at: http://www.ecci.net/instructions/PMB2RaceBrake.htm

[Attila Domján]

Just checked the total pricing, looks like follows:
(together with shipment from USA to Hungary in 1 week):

Trackstar 6000 GTS black/black lexan: $1328.00 USD
11.5/290mm Pocono w/8functions: $59.00 USD
Race Brake upgrade kit (user install): $34.00 USD
FLDS Cooling Sleeve: $59.00 USD
Cockpit Bracket: $12.00 USD
Extra Pots: $36.00 USD
Standard shipping charge: $250.00 USD
Express shipping upgrade: $70.00 USD

Total (not including import taxes): $1848.00 USD


Hmmm.....

[Attila Domján]

Link to ECCI site:
http://www.ecci6000.com/consumerhome.htm

Dont be scared for the first horrible look of the wheel, check the Technology part for available wheel options

[Wido Rossen]

Looks very nice.

So does the price (899 dollars for the standard version)
But what a system men, that fluiddamped is awsome.

I try to get one from the misses......When you guy`s don`t here from me within 2 day`s call 911.

[Attila Domján]

loool, just careful...

[Attila Domján]

You can call me crazy (with full right....), but the shipment with the 6000 GTS system is going to arrive to my home hopefully next weekend.... loooool

You can prepare yourself for a full 6 page review, i feel i will have some things to say about it....

I ordered it with this 290mm wheel with 6 extra buttons, the others were simply too big, and the suede of the momo i do not like, by time it will wear out, and will become hard touch.



Another great thing that basically you can assemble later any wheel what you can buy in the tuning shops, just needs to be the 5 screw version, not the 6, and have to take care for the size because of the butterfly shifters, that they still fit with the wheel.

[Maurice Hurkmans]

I'm really curious how this new wheel will amaze you It really must be the Rolls Royce under the steeringwheels!

[Wido Rossen]

What about the G25 ?
Are you not content with that one ?
I know you wanna get better gear....but so short after purching the G25.

[FOG-Racecarmike]

Neo is always evolving! His G25 was never real, he has now forgot about it and left it in the matrix!

[Attila Domján]

real...? eh, what it is...? lol

and about the G25, it is really a masterpiece of wheel in its category, but since i started to get a feeling how much more joy is to drive without FFB, i think this wheel will be the ultimate solution for me. If you turn off the ffb on a convencional electromotor wheel, just one very single non-progressive force will remain, the centering spring. This is a compromize, with not having the disturbance of the delayed FF effect, which makes you slower (yes, it is lagging, but after a while you dont even realize it, because your brain corrects it when you get used to it, just like for the very young babies, they see everything upside down, but their brains flip the picture).

So, i decided to continue without FF effects, and in this category this wheel is really the Rolls Royce, creating fully adjustable mechanical grip effects, you can adjust separately the strength progressivity towards the end of the turning, centering force, sensitivity, it has 1000 point detailed sensitivity for movement in the pedals, also adjustable progressive strengths for the break, pre-load strengths, and so on and so on... So this is the wheel about absolute precisity and perfectionism about wheel and car control in sim racing, and yes, i will be able to live without having a delayed shake on the wheel when riding onto a curb.... lol

If you want to know more about FF contra non FF, you can read lot of good discussions over sim forums, like this one on RSC, with the opinions of ECCI owners, who previously was using FF wheels, professional race drivers, etc etc... believe me i studied over the weekend everything i could possibly read over the net about this topic, before making a decision to spend so much on an adult toy....
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=273020

and also you can read there about the top class FF wheel on the market today, the VPP wheel, where just the wheel is costing even more money then the complete ECCI system with pro pedals, and you can read there, that the VPP wheel owners are not really that seemlessly happy with their baby....
http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=280239
and again, maybe for more money you got here more perfect adaptation of shaking effects, but still they are and will always lag......

[Groover]

damn neo, are you made of money?

[FOG-Racecarmike]

No but he makes it.