Logitech Steeringwheels

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Neo if you read this:

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.p...=switch+pedals

You wil read here it is possible to change the springs, so i guess the brake and clutch spring can be switched too.

I will try it, i want left foot braking back.

Here some more inside pics:

http://www.paperboots.net/?p=738

[Bram Hengeveld]

Watch out: Logitech garantee stops when you adjust things to you pedals or steer yourself, at least that was the fact with the momo.

So i think you should ask them first!

[Attila Domján]

Thanks for the reply guys, really helpful!

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Originally Posted by TheStig[RPM

]Watch out: Logitech garantee stops when you adjust things to you pedals or steer yourself, at least that was the fact with the momo.

So i think you should ask them first!

I know, it's with all products, it's your own risk. But i see the 3 pedals are 3 separate units. so if you change only clutch and brake, you will not harm anything and as i see on the pictures it's easy to rebuild it in original state.

So if you have problems with the pedals, switch them and then complain.

I also know Logitech service system. If there is a problem you can call them and if needed it wil be replaced. the only thing you need to do then is sending logitech some parts of the unit to prevent you can still use the old unit. I had this before with my Logitech Keyboard. I needed to send them my bluetooth stick, and the battery holder. For the rest i could keep the old keyboard.

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Neo, THIS is veryn usefull!!

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=16490

I created a Word document:
http://www.rpmnet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11894#11894

[Attila Domján]

Thanks Waku.

Just finished with the exercise, basically it is quite an easy operation to replace the force springs. They are located 1 big spring in each pedals red pistons with different force, just needed to replace those ones. Olny thing is til you reach them you have to unscrew totally 24 screws... lol

So it is quite easy, just time consuming.

But i got my loved bigger brake pedal force on the left pedal, so i am happy!

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

I am happy i could help you out a bit. I will try it this weekend.

So replacing the springs is more easy than replacing the whole pedals?

[Attila Domján]

hmmm, now that you say it would have been much more easy to replace the whole pedals, they are equal... looooooool

at least i learned how to disassembel...

[Jakob de Boer]

Very usefull post. im gonna change my pedals as well.
thx guys.

[Maik Peters]

Nice pictures m8.. You had a hell of a job by only installing your G25

[Hard Ass Dune Corleone]

Hehe, nicely done mate! Maybe this is also a good idea for the MOMO wheel, the pedals also arent positioned right, do you think I can do this with this wheel 2?

[Rob Hermans]

That looks good! It's beginning to remind me of the build your own cockpit thread on RSC!

Btw, you could use the word 'footrest' for 'voetenbankje' ;-)

[Maurice Hurkmans]

Hi all,

I've just done myself a really big pleasure and bought myself a lovely steeringwheel: The Logitech Momo Racing Force

And i must say: It feels great

But one thing i wonder: How have all Momo users setup their control setting, because i have the feeling i lose lots of speed in the corners compared to my times set on a keyboard.

At this moment i have the following (default) settings (I couldn't take a screenshot: that didn't work)

Force Feedback Off

Steering Sensitivity: 50 %
Throttle Sensitivity: 50 %
Brake Sensitivity: 50 %
Clutch Sensitivity: 20 %

Steering Dead Zone: 0 %
Throtlle Dead Zone: 0 %
Brake Dead Zone: 0 %

Speed Sensitive Steering: 10 % (default is on 90 % ?)

Do i need to change the settings a lot to get more feeling and speed in the car?

Thank you for helping me out

Momo Mausie

[Attila Domján]

I would propose you to change the deadzones, i used the following for my black MOMO

Steering: 2%
Throttle: 10%
Brake: 10%

Usually for the pedals in momo i adjusted high deadzones, because they had the tendency to "stuck" at low range, with this you can get rid of this effect.

The rest of the settings i always had on default like you wrote, never changed it and it worked fine for me.

[Hard Ass Dune Corleone]

Im loving this forum more and more ;) I also got a momo steering wheel!!! Im checking this one out tonight!

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

Greger Huttu, the fastest simracer in the world used these settings:

Settings GTR2

Degrees of Rotation: 370

Overall Effects Strength: 111%
Spring Effect Strength: 0%
Damper Effect Strength: 0%

Enable centering spring is Off.

In GTR2:

Steering Axis Linearity: 50%
Speed Sensitivity: 0%

In car setup I use 23.0 steering lock with these settings. This results in quite sensitive steering so you might want to up the DFP steering rotation to 400 or more, whatever feels comfortable to you.

Here are the FF settings that you need to copy&paste into your GTR2 .plr file:

FFB Device Type="2" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad. 
FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom. 
FFB Gain="0.50000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects. Range 0.0 to 1.0. 
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis. 
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis. 
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration. 
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.03500" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point). 
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude). 
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. 
FFB steer force average weight="0.80000" // How much weight is given to new steering force calculations each frame (0.01 - 1.0). Lower values will smooth out the steering force, but will also add latency. 
FFB steer force exponent="0.82000" // Steering force output "sensitivity". Range 0.0 to infinity. 0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity. 
FFB steer force input max="-11500.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction). 
FFB steer force output max="1.50000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0 
FFB steer force grip weight="0.90000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9. How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force. 
FFB steer force grip factor="0.60000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.2 to 0.6. How much of a factor the front wheel grip is on the steering weight. 
FFB steer update thresh="0.01500" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate. 
FFB steer friction coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering friction. Range: -1.0 to 1.0 
FFB steer friction saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction. Range: 0 - 1.0 
FFB steer damper coefficient="0.17500" // Coefficient to use for steering damper. Range: -1.0 to 1.0 
FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper. Range: 0 - 1.0 
FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.17000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency. Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50 
FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude="0.00000" // Magnitude of engine vibration at 0rpm (reference point). 
FFB throttle vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude). 
FFB throttle vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. 
FFB throttle vibe update thresh="0.08000" // Amount of change required to update throttle vibe (0.0 - 1.0) 
FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.90000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency. 
FFB brake vibe zero magnitude="0.00000" // Magnitude of brake vibration at 0mph (reference point). 
FFB brake vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB brake vibe zero magnitude). 
FFB brake vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. 
FFB brake vibe update thresh="0.05000" // Amount of change required to update brake vibe (0.0 to 1.0) 
FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.15000" // How strong the rumble strip rumble is. Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect. 
FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.60000" // Rumble stip frequency multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev. 
FFB rumble strip wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down. 
FFB rumble strip pull factor="-0.50000" // How strongly wheel pulls right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5 to 1.5. 
FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.07500" // Amount of change required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0) 
FFB jolt magnitude="1.00000" // How strong jolts from other cars (or walls) are. Suggested Range: -2.0 to 2.0.

Rfactor:

Degrees of Rotation: 360

Overall Effects Strength: 125%
Spring Effect Strength: 0%
Damper Effect Strength: 0%

Enable centering spring is Off.

In rFactor:

Steering Axis Linearity: 50%
Speed Sensitivity: 0%

In car setup I use around 20.0 steering lock with these settings.


I suggest you to use brake sensitivity arround 30% so you will not lock up too fast.
Throttle sensitivity can be set in Race arround 70% but in GTR2 use also arround 30%.

I hope this will help you out a bit.

[Hard Ass Dune Corleone]

Do you also have the RACE wtcc settings of this guys???

[Marcel Hulsbergen]

No but you can try the settings above, in Race it's not possible to edit the plr file.

[Yoeri Gijsen]

OFF-TOPIC: Can someone explain what Speedsensitive Steering is?

I left most things onchanged, except for the Force Feedback. I turned it off, but put the strenght up a bit so my wheel doesn't shock, but still still feels a bit heavy.

[Attila Domján]

Speed sensitive steering is, as more percentage you put it on, the more progressive your car wheel movement will be compared to the steering wheel movement as you increase your car speed. Other words, if you set it high, for the same amount of steering wheel movement the car wheel will turn less if you go with 200 km/h then if you go with 50 km/h.

[Yoeri Gijsen]

So the advice is to pu tit as low as possible?

[Rob Hermans]

Originally Posted by Scyp[RPM

]OFF-TOPIC: Can someone explain what Speedsensitive Steering is?

Speed sensitive steering: the higher you set it, the less sensitive your steering will feel as you go faster, i.e. it's easier to stop the car from moving off-line with a small adjustment, because that small adjustment has less effect at high speed.

Unless the car feels REALLY sensitive to steering inputs at high speed, I leave the setting on 0%, because there is almost always a transition between less sensitive and more sensitive, which you DO NOT need when you're turning into a medium or slow corner! Set your overall wheel sensitivity so that it's not too twitchy at high speed, and adjust it for cornering ;-)

[Yoeri Gijsen]

OK, Thanks Neo and Jack.

[Attila Domján]

I have it on 10% at RACE, i think it is the default, at least i dont remember i adjusted it.

Maybe i will try it out at 0%, who knows, maybe couple of tenths i will gain again...

[Rob Hermans]

Heheh, even faster Neo...you are the one!

I think it depends on your wheel and your driving style; 0% might be way too unconrollable and unless you drive like Zsolt Baumgartner, you'll need to learn a new method!